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Maliciously Delicious
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:50 pm Reply with quote
Thanks for your THOUGHTS everyone! I was not trying to put a limit on anything on this site. Just curious to how the voting system is being run and what the winners are producing. I understand you can create anything out of the source. And for whoever said this topic has been discussed before can you link me to the topic in the forum?
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ReyRey
Location: In a world of $#!t
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:54 pm Reply with quote
FootFungas wrote: Oscar wrote: Marco doesn't need sources... he goes out and set everything up and then takes pictures.
yeah, and he still can't get his perspective right
That's my boy!!!
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Wiz
Location: Brisbane Australia
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:38 pm Reply with quote
Maliciously Delicious wrote: Well I was curious on everyones views on entry's that are mainly an external image with the source blended in, perhaps even nicely blended. I do not like to do this but I have seen some people do so. Thoughts?
"Like all good surgeons, if you can spot the 'Stitches' then you ain't doing your best work... ask any Plastic Surgeon!
Me, I indulge in 'Invisible Mending' So take a look at my Portfolio my Noob friend, I like doing seamless work in integrating external sources, and by no means do cut and paste stuff FYI".
Wiz
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Maliciously Delicious
Location: The Deathsert
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:40 pm Reply with quote
Wiz wrote: Maliciously Delicious wrote: Well I was curious on everyones views on entry's that are mainly an external image with the source blended in, perhaps even nicely blended. I do not like to do this but I have seen some people do so. Thoughts?
"Like all good surgeons, if you can spot the 'Stitches' then you ain't doing your best work... ask any Plastic Surgeon!
Me, I indulge in 'Invisible Mending' So take a look at my Portfolio my Noob friend, I like doing seamless work in integrating external sources, and by no means do cut and paste stuff FYI".
Wiz
Hmm...I'm looking at your portfolio and haven't seen many ALL SOURCE entries...
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creatrix
Location: USA (but I didn't vote for the shrub.)
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:09 pm Reply with quote
I've done it with success, but I feel like a bit of a cheat. I mean, it isn't that hard.
On the other hand, I also consider the ultimate goal to be making a good final product. I can spent 15 hours on a chop that ends up looking like shite or 15 minutes on one that looks really good and creative, so in the end, which is worth more? The one that took a lot of work yet came out looking bleh or the one that didn't really take much but looks really good? Of course one that is really hard AND really good trumps both easily, but at least to some extent it depends upon the final product. IMHO.
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bigbuck
Location: Australia
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:35 pm Reply with quote
I don't really care whether externals are used or not, but I like to see the source prominently used in a chop, or at least an idea connected to the source. This one of mine had NO source. I simply used the source as a reference only...
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/122471/cutout.html
I'm not overly fussed on the source (or part thereof) just plonked on an external background. Although these have won here at psc, as one did in a prize contest in September last year. The source was pasted on an fantastic external source. Sometimes this can be a little deceiving to voters if external links are not provided.
I also think it takes time and skill to integrate several external sources into a cohesive looking chop. Look at BC's chop and his externals here...
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/127954/shelter.html
But I really do think there is a great deal of personal satisfaction in being able to create a nice image entirely from the given source. Some will chime in here saying that all-source work is vote whoring, and I suppose it can be, but I have always enjoyed producing something vote worthy using just the given source.
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creatrix
Location: USA (but I didn't vote for the shrub.)
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:39 pm Reply with quote
Eh, I don't think all-source is vote whoring at all, unless being really good makes you a vote whore! I mean, if you can create an awesome image using all source, then more power to ya!!
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billtvshow
Site Moderator
Location: North Carolina
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:23 pm Reply with quote
Oscar wrote: Marco doesn't need sources... he goes out and set everything up and then takes pictures.
If so, he would hands down be the most wanted person in the world.
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dumbat
Location: Sydney
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:56 pm Reply with quote
billtvshow wrote: Oscar wrote: Marco doesn't need sources... he goes out and set everything up and then takes pictures.
If so, he would hands down be the most wanted person in the world.
or sponsored by a ketchup company
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Wiz
Location: Brisbane Australia
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:00 pm Reply with quote
Maliciously Delicious wrote: Wiz wrote: Maliciously Delicious wrote: Well I was curious on everyones views on entry's that are mainly an external image with the source blended in, perhaps even nicely blended. I do not like to do this but I have seen some people do so. Thoughts?
"Like all good surgeons, if you can spot the 'Stitches' then you ain't doing your best work... ask any Plastic Surgeon!
Me, I indulge in 'Invisible Mending' So take a look at my Portfolio my Noob friend, I like doing seamless work in integrating external sources, and by no means do cut and paste stuff FYI".
Wiz
Hmm...I'm looking at your portfolio and haven't seen many ALL SOURCE entries...
"Very Good MD, now did you find any integration glitches in ANY of them, very few I suspect!"
Wiz
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j58roldan
Location: New Jersey
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:12 pm Reply with quote
yello_piggy wrote: why are people always crying for limits, I dont understand... there is a free vote-market, everybody is free to vote or not, this game here is a combination of written and unwritten rules, and it is working for several years already. All-sourcers get more votes, popular people get more votes, many old-timers just vote for each other, and so on. PSC is alive in kind of weird way, but it is. feel free to discuss, but dont try to press creativity into tighter limits. thank you.
Amen
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Maliciously Delicious
Location: The Deathsert
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:19 pm Reply with quote
Wiz wrote: Maliciously Delicious wrote: Wiz wrote: Maliciously Delicious wrote: Well I was curious on everyones views on entry's that are mainly an external image with the source blended in, perhaps even nicely blended. I do not like to do this but I have seen some people do so. Thoughts?
"Like all good surgeons, if you can spot the 'Stitches' then you ain't doing your best work... ask any Plastic Surgeon!
Me, I indulge in 'Invisible Mending' So take a look at my Portfolio my Noob friend, I like doing seamless work in integrating external sources, and by no means do cut and paste stuff FYI".
Wiz
Hmm...I'm looking at your portfolio and haven't seen many ALL SOURCE entries...
"Very Good MD, now did you find any integration glitches in ANY of them, very few I suspect!"
Wiz
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/133497/tcm-fairy-tale.html
Very bad integration with the characters and the title does not blend well
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/133232/welcome-earthlings.html
The position of the eyes does not mesh well cutting off the left eye
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/133104/the-raging-sea.html
The water in front is too washed out
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/133068/dats-cheatin.html
The Guy Bolt and sign does not match the same resolution as the backround
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132971/get-knotted.html
The middle finger needs to be UNDER the rope, how is he holding it up?
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132564/stick-with-me-guys.html
Cloud perspective is wrong, characters shouldnt be laying flat
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132515/blasted-pigeons.html
I think it's only in cartoons where there isn't any blood after something like this
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132456/re-penn-t-u-sin-rs.html
The movie and theatre resolutions do not match the rest of the external and movies did not look that good back then
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132383/short-nailed-echidna.html
This one has good integration I would like to see the external though
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132357/clunkzzzclunkzzzclunk.html
Isn't there supposed to be a middle shutter mark as well?
http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/132298/robert-franklin-stroud.html
This is another good integration but very easy source to manipulate and drop a backround on
_________________ "When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one that has opened for us."
- Alexander Graham Bell
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bigbuck
Location: Australia
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:01 pm Reply with quote
speaking of perspective....
Shouldn't there be one vanishing point for all receding lines?
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dumbat
Location: Sydney
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:05 pm Reply with quote
bigbuck wrote: speaking of perspective....
Shouldn't there be one vanishing point for all receding lines?
but to be fair, wiz asked for it, md did not!
(unless you think his rather full-on critique was his way of asking for it )
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bigbuck
Location: Australia
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:09 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, no offence intended. Hell, you could pick my portfolio to pieces also.....
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