I've contemplated donating my body to the body farm. But actually, it can be pretty gross. I mean, I don't know how I feel about being the one left in a car trunk or something. Then again, I'm dead, so who cares?

The proof is not dependent on your concession

Well, it looks as though you believe in the concept of proof though, otherwise you could not know that there isn't any proof of God. Could you perhaps tell me how proof of anything is possible according to your worldview?

Thanks! You too

Nope, the point is that people suppress the truth.

As Scion said...guilty as charged (BTW Hey Scion!) I do not limit the truth to the existence of moral absolutes, but absolutes of any kind. (Universal, abstract, invariant absolutes).

Um no, it is absolutely morally wrong for me to sleep with my brother's wife, it is not absolutely morally wrong for him to. It is absolutely morally wrong for someone to stick a knife into the chest of someone else for kicks, it is not absolutely morally wrong for a heart surgeon to do it. Indeed some absolutes can be explained in generalities, but some cannot.

What if the molester thinks it is 'right?' Is it still wrong then? What would make you 'right' and them 'wrong?'

That would not make it 'right,' and whether or not it is justifiable, is up to God, not you.

Cheers,

Sye

still staying out of it, but if you try converting my pagans to christianety i will close this forum

Hey buddy!!!! People don't convert people

(I often bring up the fact that as much as you bashed me, you still liked my sig).

About that body farm.. lol
I took several anthropology classes under Dr William Bass a nice soul you could ever want to meet. He delighted each of us every day with slideshows of his wonderful corpses. He was the founder of the Body Farm. I have since seen he has received national recognition for his work at the University of TN. Just behind the hospital lol.

Just recently my husband had physical therapy and I ran again in Dr Bass in the waiting room and unbelievable that man remembered me. I was just honored. I have thought that yes the body farm is for me.

"GUNS don't convert people.
PEOPLE convert people."

(hmmmm... that quote may not work too well here.)

"IF YOU SEE BUDDHA ON THE ROAD GIVE HIM A TWINKIE!!!"

PAGAN'S..... .......ain't that the Druids cousins???...would be nice to know just what stonehenge was all about......I'm going with giant sundial.

Well I absolutely agree with you.

Any similarities with that cats name and mine do not exist. I have nothing to do with this cat. I like lolcats yes, but not him.

Well, proof is kind of tricky, as I'm sure you know. Basically, science doesn't seek to "proove" complex theories, only to invalidate them with evidence that refutes the theory. One piece of such evidence will kill a theory with thousands of pieces to support it. I would bring up evolution, but I don't think that will makemy point well in this venue, so I'll point to parity, which was broken in the 80s or 90s with a single discovery.

But I'm digressing. Proof that something exists can be obtained. One only needs to be able to see the effects it has in a quantifiable, repeatable manner. Same rules that apply to prove that a photon exists or a muon.

Now, as for moral absolutes, I still don't believe in them. As for your argument that something heinous like molestation could be justifiable but still wrong, it's a good argument. I would counter, then, with is it wrong to let the million people die? Or is that justifiable? When you let a million people die in a terrorist attack you could have prevented by doing something that we can all agree is morally reprehensible, are you doing good by refusing, or are you doing evil?

While I also agree it's not such a great idea to sleep with your brother's wife, what if he doesn't mind? What if they both want to show how much they love you by letting you sleep with her? Granted, I think it's weird, but if no one involved minds, why is it wrong? I know this could be compared to the question you asked about if the molester thought something was right, but molestation involves a victim: someone who is harmed by the action. Harming another, in most instances is wrong.

For instance, will you agree that it's worng to take a knife and cut open a living human being? To slice open their abdomen?

Pretty bad, huh?

But what if you're a doctor preforming a cesarean delivery. It becomes acceptable and moral - in fact it becomes immoral not to do it in many instances.

ME BELIEVE GOD POWER

...Scion said FISHBOY... .....thanks... first thing Monday morning and i have coffee dripping from my nose again.

I love the sig by the way.......i saw a shirt once that said "GOD don't believe in atheist".....maybe it's just my sick sense of humor....but i liked it.

TWINKIES, PEOPLE! TWINKIES!!



Now THERE is SOMETHING to BELIEVE in!

(as in: "I believe I'll have another TWINKIE.")

AM I RIGHT PEOPLE!?

Hello?

Is this thing on? ....

I was just trying to figure out how to convince everyone that I am Buddha....

and there were twinkies, and the Lord saw that they were Good. And He ateth of them with great joy.